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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
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Posted - 2013.03.27 02:49:00 -
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I have no words to express my feelings. When a man betrays the State we call it treason, what is it called when the State Executor betrays his men? |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
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Posted - 2013.03.27 22:03:00 -
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Scherezad wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:Scherezad wrote:When one presses a stone into the sand, the impression is not at all the same thing as the stone. The instructive value of metaphors and proverbs only stretches so far. I apologize, sir. I thought it was rather clear. Perhaps it is a cultural thing, or perhaps my own limitations. I will try again, more plainly. The impression one gets from talking to individuals has no bearing on reality. or, perhaps more cleanly, The plural of anecdote is not data.
One might also say that even when a mask is formed by pressing clay against the face, only the inside of the mask reveals the true face of the wearer, not the outside.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
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Posted - 2013.03.28 06:27:00 -
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Gustav Kleist wrote:The one thing that can be seen as treason here is the backstabbing of the Navy Command by the Executor. When one assigns an officer to a command, one must take care to have collected sufficient intelligence, provide a clear set of objectives and rules of engagement, as well as to clarify up to what point the forces in question are expendable, if they are at all.
The destruction of Admiral Yanala's command might have been avoided, if sufficient freedom of action had been given to the Admiral to make other arrangements, like moving some of her capital assets to threaten a strike on Luminaire proper if CN Shiigeru was attacked, or having a back-up capital force on stand-by at Kassigainen, or many other things. None of which were prepared. Instead, it looks very much as if the 37th Squadron of the Kimotoro Fleet was placed around CN Shiigeru like an afterthought.
Now that might be "simple'' incompetence on a military level. However, given the fact that the Executor has such a centralized control on Caldari operational "planning" (however I loathe to use this word presently) and that he assigned ADM. Yanala to this command implies, affirms and underlines that the ultimate command responsibility is his.
In the old days, he would already have had his last cup of tea. We have fallen very far indeed if we allow him to "investigate" the officers he sent into certain death.
I do not think that there WAS a viable tactic that the Admiral could have followed. Once the FN decided it was willing to accept the losses (and they were heavy) the Shiigeru was doomed. If she'd split her force to threaten Gallente Prime then she would simply have been defeated in detail. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:14:00 -
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Liuni Kalthis wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Liuni Kalthis wrote: The order to use a planet ruining weapon on your State's own world with Caldari citizens on it; if that isn't treason I don't know what is. I didn't know the Caldari sacrificed citizens so readily if it isn't considered a breach of leadership and loyalty.
The fact is, that the citizens were killed only because of gallente attack on blockading force. They didn't die from Caldari guns. Gallenteans commited the hugest atrocity and mistake in their life. They will pay. For blowing up a Titan pointing a gun at a population...that had orders to fire. I don't understand your logic, even police fire first when the offending party pulls a gun and points it at an innocent.
What if a law-abiding citizen simply states loudly that he has acquired a gun for self-defence and then doesn't use that gun offensively for FIVE years?
What does that citizen have the right to do if another citizen kicks in the door of his house? |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:30:00 -
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Svetlana Scarlet wrote: If you think the other members of the CEP will join Heth in extreme sanction against Ishukone, you are even more delusional than I thought you were.
I can confirm that although Pyre-Falcon was operating under contract to Ishukone for the operation, we did so at the direct behest of the CEP, which sought our cooperation. We were proud to cease and desist all other contracts to allow us to give our full attention to Ishukone's CEP-sponsored relief effort.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
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Posted - 2013.03.28 20:43:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:By the way, Tuulinen-haan, if you could provide me the name of your Ishukone contact point, it would be greatly appreciated. I fear my contacts are involved in day-to-day operations, and have limited executive power.
I'll see what I can do, Priano-haani. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
660
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:53:00 -
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Devils Embrace wrote:Streya Jormagdnir wrote:I cannot help but feel some level of sympathy for the Caldari in this situation. We too lost our homeworld, and we too came back later and retook it. Why are the Caldari being denied sovereign control over the planet of their origin? The Gallente have settled countless temperate worlds. What do they have to lose, other than what appears to this outsider as bragging rights, by allowing the Caldari to claim Caldari Prime as their own? The Gallente recognized our own ties to our home planet. I ask that they consider doing the same for the Caldari, who once shared the Luminaire system with them.
When pride grows larger than respect and wisdom, divisions form and wars are fought. Would you allow someone to build a fort in your backyard and live there? Someone hostile and who doesn't like you?
Depends. Is your enormous backyard owned by a host of different people? Are they building that fort on their own land? |
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